Comments on: The Internet is Ugly http://www.darrenherman.com/2008/07/27/the-internet-is-ugly/ Marketing, Media, and Technology Conversations Wed, 8 Feb 2012 19:55:30 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Seni Thomas http://www.darrenherman.com/2008/07/27/the-internet-is-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-50519 Seni Thomas Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:56:33 +0000 http://www.darrenherman.com/?p=761#comment-50519 Hopefully the announcements around flash becoming indexable will spur more pretty sites instead of pages that have been SEO'ed into oblivion. That said I've always been fascinated by interface design so check out http://www.dontclick.it/. Seni Hopefully the announcements around flash becoming indexable will spur more pretty sites instead of pages that have been SEO’ed into oblivion. That said I’ve always been fascinated by interface design so check out http://www.dontclick.it/.

Seni

]]> By: Grant Lyons http://www.darrenherman.com/2008/07/27/the-internet-is-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-50498 Grant Lyons Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:59:02 +0000 http://www.darrenherman.com/?p=761#comment-50498 I think as time goes by we'll start seeing more articles like this. My 2 cents is that many of the best print designers of the last 20 years never moved over to the Web. To a large extent, programmers were left to design the early interfaces which were really about a different design discipline. Thanks for the greenermags mention btw...oh Matt.."flex is crazy, if you're into that you must get the Actionscript / Flex Bible by Mims H. Wright" I think as time goes by we’ll start seeing more articles like this. My 2 cents is that many of the best print designers of the last 20 years never moved over to the Web. To a large extent, programmers were left to design the early interfaces which were really about a different design discipline. Thanks for the greenermags mention btw…oh Matt..”flex is crazy, if you’re into that you must get the Actionscript / Flex Bible by Mims H. Wright”

]]> By: Darren http://www.darrenherman.com/2008/07/27/the-internet-is-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-50488 Darren Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:09:17 +0000 http://www.darrenherman.com/?p=761#comment-50488 PJ, you bring up some great issues with good design... and unfortunately, like you stated, it goes ultimately fall back to the dollar. Matt, you also bring up the issue of design/development disconnects. PJ, you bring up some great issues with good design… and unfortunately, like you stated, it goes ultimately fall back to the dollar.

Matt, you also bring up the issue of design/development disconnects.

]]> By: Matt http://www.darrenherman.com/2008/07/27/the-internet-is-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-50482 Matt Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:22:05 +0000 http://www.darrenherman.com/?p=761#comment-50482 Many of the constrains placed what can be done on the web versus what can't are not the same as they were in years past. There's a huge difference between designing a site like a publication and displaying ads versus designing a site like an application. And while some design leads to less ad visibility, it really depends what you're trying to accomplish. Good design can put ads in the right place at the right time. We built our product using Flex and I build out the front-end right in the Flex editor. With this, I can pass usable files to the tech team to weave the design to the backend. That's where there's a disconnect in most . If a designer makes something in photoshop, someone still has to implement it. Many of the constrains placed what can be done on the web versus what can’t are not the same as they were in years past. There’s a huge difference between designing a site like a publication and displaying ads versus designing a site like an application. And while some design leads to less ad visibility, it really depends what you’re trying to accomplish. Good design can put ads in the right place at the right time.

We built our product using Flex and I build out the front-end right in the Flex editor. With this, I can pass usable files to the tech team to weave the design to the backend. That’s where there’s a disconnect in most . If a designer makes something in photoshop, someone still has to implement it.

]]> By: PJ Brunet http://www.darrenherman.com/2008/07/27/the-internet-is-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-50392 PJ Brunet Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:18:14 +0000 http://www.darrenherman.com/?p=761#comment-50392 I'm a good example of why the web is still ugly. It's a matter of money. Even small graphics on high-traffic websites are very costly. Why? It's not a bandwidth issue like in the old days. It's CPU/disk time, this is the real cost of web hosting now. Also, more design = less ad visibility = less profits. Finally, graphics/design add to load time and clutter your code, a double penalty in the search engines. When you add all that up, every image is costing you dearly. And I'm telling you all this as a visual artist, I have a BFA and love design as much as anyone. But I got to pay the bills, you know? I’m a good example of why the web is still ugly. It’s a matter of money. Even small graphics on high-traffic websites are very costly. Why? It’s not a bandwidth issue like in the old days. It’s CPU/disk time, this is the real cost of web hosting now. Also, more design = less ad visibility = less profits. Finally, graphics/design add to load time and clutter your code, a double penalty in the search engines. When you add all that up, every image is costing you dearly. And I’m telling you all this as a visual artist, I have a BFA and love design as much as anyone. But I got to pay the bills, you know?

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